On women's social stature

The other day I got sucked into an argument on "Women opression in Muslim society and how women there are brainwashed into a woman-opressing religion" and found myself demonstrating that it is not just Muslim religion that opresses women, most of the major religions have, till recently, condemned women to a second-citizen stature. Which made me wonder about the why of the situation.

There are medically established physical differences between men and women. Bodily, men are stronger and more capable of physical work than women are. Hence, for the hunting-farming societies at the orgin of human economic growth, men were of more economic value than women. Secondly, women spent most of their adult life in child bearing and child rearing, physical and mental demands of which effectively removed them from taking on any significant economic role in the family or important role in the society. All these firmly established men's prominience in the social structure while a woman's realm was family rearing which created more capable hands. (Which is probably why we have the custom of marrying off a girl.) As societies grew, men became law-makers and made the laws which eventually came down as religions to the masses. However, in most of the original non-messiah-ic religions thus created, though women were designated a homely role, they were respected and were not handed out a raw deal.

A bit chunk of intermediate history, during which most of the messiah-ic religions were born, is a story of small/large feudal wars. Most of these wars had paid armies whose recruits were from the large poor populace of the times. When wars left widows and girl orphans, these were an economic burden to these poor classes. Even for non-widow, non-orphan women, the very crunch of resources that families faced led to prioritization of men over women simply because it gave more returns in economic sense. This acted as a positive feedback loop leading to more and more dimunitive status that women got in the society.

Here, I would like to digress and make a comment on those defaming Islam against Hinduism. Islam brought a concept of multiple wives as a solution to the war widows (read the terrible infighting in Arab history when Islam was born). Hinduism, on the other hand, gave sati or a living death in which they had no social recognition. Have you read about those widows who would live their lives wearing plain red or plain white sarees, with their head shaved off, barred from any social occasion as they were ill-omened. One did rather be a third wife of a person with some social existence than being imprisoned all one'slife. And especially multiple wives didnt matter in a society where families were not husband-wife units but a social group. Anyways, thats besides the point.

The point to note though is that though non-messiah-ic religions never had anti-women policies, the political powers and economic pressures of the day led to the secondary treatment of women. Good or bad in most religions depends heavily on how much progressive thought is allowed into the religion and this inturn depends on the economics and politics of the day.

In 'progressive' places like Maharashtra or Bengal, women status became better over 19th century due to diligient efforts by social workers. We owe a whole lot to them. They brought in better life for women and clamored for girl education. And soon, with passing of British Raj, as societies moved away from an agrarian lifestyle to a more complex and developed industrial city structure, income opportunities became less labor oriented and more mental effort related. This is reflected in increase in education and literacy rates in men, which too was neglected till then. However, even then education didn't happen for girls as girls married off and the investment would not pay-off. So, it was a combination of social workers efforts and economics that led to a change in cultural and social perspective. Girl education empowered women to become economically significant and use that to leverage their social status. Even today, in societies where all these elements have not done their parts, women are yet relegated to behind a ghoonghat.

(Here, I write about the Indian society. For European societies, it was the off-shore colonization that brought in non-labor jobs and the world war that heralded the women workforce concept which then led to education and better social stature)
Now-a-days, as women become economically significant, their social status is improving in leaps. No longer do they have to dutifully accept any un-favorable rules imposed on them. But this is leading to a different issue. Child rearing is a woman's job because a woman's physiology and psychology is to nurture. And as women move into active workforce, these roles come into conflict. So, today we see a range of reactions - from outright denial of nurturing role to stresses of work-life balance to neglected children to falling population rates. But this does not indicate that the progress achieved since nineteenth century has been off track. It should be applauded and all the challenges it has thrown up must be dealt while trying to achieve fairness over men, women and children living standards.

Comments

Alok said…
A really nice post by you Snehal.

A couple of points. You say:

However, even then education didn't happen for girls as girls married off and the investment would not pay-off. So, it was a combination of social workers efforts and economics that led to a change in cultural and social perspective. Girl education empowered women to become economically significant and use that to leverage their social status.

The second sentence (So, it was...) does not follow from what you have said earlier. It sort of follows from the next sentence, but even then, it's a bit contradictory to the first sentence. Or maybe I misunderstood your intent there.

Another point I want to make is that nowadays, the issue is really complicated. On one hand, there still exist major cases of oppression and non-equal treatment of women; but on the other hand, there exist examples of "affirmative actions" where women have undue advantage. The modern feminist movement seems to be going in the wrong direction for the most part. I see it mostly as "the battle of sexes" rather than what it should be—a movement for equality in social and economic lives of people.

Have to go now, but will write more later.
me said…
I haven't worded that part well. I will rephrase it.
"Afirmative action" is not improper. If you consider that the opportunities that normal women get are poor compared to their male counterparts, they cannot be placed on the same footing when it comes to compete with males. They need some consideration to offset the poor opportunities. That said, affirmative action should be formulated very carefully just enough to offset the poor opportunity scenario.
And about "battle of sexes", it is a battle of sexes because in the mordern nuclear family, there is so much work needed to manage a household that a working woman cannot do it alone and so, if there is a reluctance of the husband to take over some responsibility, it becomes a battle of sexes. When I mentioned all the current issues in the last paragraph, I was not pointing that career oriented women are at fault but just that this is a very real issue that threatens families today.
Sagar Bhanagay said…
One of the best blogs I've read in recent times...
Writing something like this (or even daring to do so) needs a very good understanding of time, religion, history, advancements in technology & the socio-economic impact of these working together on individuals, families, societies & nations. So many factors have worked over time & contributed to the past & current stature of women & I'm glad u've accounted for most.
Overall, a very mature topic dealt with great finesse & consideration!

What's striking about this article is that there isn't the regular whining of women over this topic (that one usually comes across especially if the author is a woman), but a clear stream of reason. Keep it up!
Dash said…
How did the western societies solve the problems in the last paragraph? Since they are some 50 years ahead of Indian society in this regard, may be there is something to learn from them.

I believe this is just one of many problems that families face including deciding on the chores, finances, existing family and friends' status, etc. etc. While household work was solely women's responsibility, the finance was solely men's. Now one needs to tune the expectations and responsibilities according to each individual's preferences. These should be communicated and understood by the partners before getting married to avoid friction later in life.

I agree with Alok about affirmative actions in India. While affirmative actions are geared to help the poor class (where women are still trying for equal status to men). The women who take advantage are the ones who already have good status (middle and upper class).
Atul said…
Good post. But I don't think you have touched the root cause of the issue.

The economic factor is not the cause of the bad treatment of women. It is, infact, a consequence.

I firmly belive in the importance of "roles" devised by Nature. Women do have the role of bearing and then nurturing children. And Men do have the role of catering to the needs (food/shelter/safety) of the family.

I think the main cause of the unfair treatment of women across the globe is the loss of respect for each of these roles. Some roles gained in importance while the importance of others waned. This imbalance created two things:
1. Men looking down on the woman's role.
2. Women feeling attracted to the Man's role.

The "earning or physical power" of the males has become a symbol of power and achievement and the "child bearing power" of women is seen as a sign of "weakness and inability to do something useful".

It is this shift in the mindset that is the precursor of all other evils. Women want equality by having the equal rights to earn their living. I think it is screwed up and is pretty obviously visible in the socities that have taken that route. High divorce rates, stressful lives, fewer kids and keeping pets as kids are common examples in these societies. Equality should be defined in terms of the roles. Without that, it is like comparing oranges to apples.

The only long-term sustainable solution to this problem is to go back to roots of learning to respect the roles of each sex. And not just in individual lives but as a society as a whole. Only then can the true concept of family survive.

It might be good to watch "planet earth/the life of mammals" and try to imagine what would happen if the roles in the lives of other animals changed.

Anyways, there is not much I can do in this solution other than having respect for women who are housewives or earnestly helping my wife who is toiling very hard to try and achieve a good balance between their work and personal lives.

For the longer term, I am convinced that my grandkids or great-grandkids are going be dogs. :)
me said…
Can you explain:
1. Why did the "lack of respect for the woman's role" come into being?
2. Why is doing the traditional womanly-homely job seen as a sign of "weakness and inability to do something useful".
3. "The only long-term sustainable solution to this problem is to go back to roots of learning to respect the roles of each sex. " If this was a long-term sustainable solution, why did the society move away from it?
Atul said…
1. Don't know for sure.. May be Moral corruption. The differences in times that is visible between Ramayan and Mahabharat.

2. The operating word there is not weak.. it is "useful". The reason being the "loss of respect" for the uses.

3. Ok. Then even that is not a solution. Atleast not a sustainable solution. Maybe families will really vanish and kids will born in test tubes and nurtured in schools/hostels.
Alok said…
Atul, Regarding your point about roles, I agree. But here's the catch: how do we know what the roles are for males and females? In animal kingdom, even among mammals (even among primates too), different roles exist for each gender. The roles change depending upon species, and sometimes even upon given surroundings.

In humans, the situation is complicated because of all the 'advances' we have made. No other species interacts with so many members of its own species all over the globe. And no other species has that strictly well-defined criteria of ethics. So, in animal world, things happen that would appear outright unethical to us. The human societies also started out in 'less ethical' and 'less global' ways, and over time developed into what we see today. In such a case, I think that it is not necessary that the roles of genders remain fixed. They can change.

Now, in the end, everything else is immaterial if those changes do not result in our being successful at reproducing and continuation of our own species. Some of the role changes in our society have had negative effect on those, but since as of now, humans are far from any danger of being extinct, it doesn't really matter too much.

So, if we were to see a sharp decline in our population, the gender roles will revert back to the way they started out.

In the end, it all boils down to: most of us expect a 'completely just' society, but it is not going to happen. That situation is at best in an unstable equilibrium. It could be fine and everyone could be happy in such a situation, but all it takes to break down is one 'bad' individual. Given that there will always be injustice, some members of the species will have to be on the receiving end of that injustice.

I am not saying that this is right, or that I don't agree that women haven't been on that receiving end in the past, or even now. And I really think that the situation is much more complicated than just 'women are treated as inferior in our society'.

I haven't proof-read anything above. It might not make any sense, and it is bound to contain spelling mistakes :-)

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